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  39clues

  Somehow it was solved again by kjs722 much after it was published, so there probably isn't a bug exclusive to the build mode used. I feel like there is some trick by using the ice and undoing moves. Restarting could break it as well.

  August 10 2023 at 18:51
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  k3n Pro

  ********** NOTE : THIS PUZZLE IS IN ERROR AND CANNOT BE LEGALLY SOLVED **********

  December 20 2020 at 21:11
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  k3n Pro

  ********** ATTENTION **********THIS PUZZLE CANNOT BE SOLVED WITHOUT EXPLOITING A KNOWN BUG/GLITCH RELATED TO MOVE UNDO PROCESSING ********** attention **********

  December 20 2020 at 21:07
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  qdywcaexs

  kjs722, I'm still curious about the solution. If you could tell us a hint as little as possible on what to think of, it would be very appreciated! If that's impossible without revealing the trick, then this puzzle should remain a mistery.

  December 20 2020 at 20:08
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    Jonathan Handojo Pro

    @qdywcaexs: Well, I sent him a PM, and he did mention that the puzzle utilises a glitch that makes a hole disappear by doing some certain moves. I've still yet to figure this out, but apparently that's what happened.
    
    When Sokoban Online 4.0 comes out, this will be an unsolvable puzzle though...

    December 20 2020 at 20:12
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  39cool Pro

  okay so either this is legit, or kjs has developed the ability to summon wild boxes out of thin air

  December 18 2020 at 22:00
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    qdywcaexs

    @39cool: Or perhaps the ability to slide from the button to the closer door in a step, but I don't know if it's enough for a solution...

    December 18 2020 at 23:48
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    qdywcaexs

    @qdywcaexs: Or maybe flying through fragiles.

    December 18 2020 at 23:48
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  steyrwolf Pro

  But, in Christmas times there is a tiny possibility that it´s solvable with the help of angels! :-)

  December 18 2020 at 14:37
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    steyrwolf Pro

    @steyrwolf: (e.g., a second player appears unexpectedly)

    December 18 2020 at 14:41
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    Opeth2112 Pro

    @steyrwolf: Ha ha! Yes, the right combination of moves sends an angel to help you! That would be cool...and it only works if your playable character is Santa Claus...should have worked for me. :)

    December 18 2020 at 16:04
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  Opeth2112 Pro

  Thanks Jonathan, I knew it! Not because I couldn't solve it, but no way are the real pro's of this site fooled forever by a puzzle this size. Now begs the questions, how was it test-solved and could there be any others with the same glitch? (And just as perplexing to me is 7 thumbs up for this puzzle, really?)

  December 18 2020 at 03:05
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    Jonathan Handojo Pro

    @Opeth2112: Not true. I've seen several unsolvable puzzles on site, even one of my own. I found it, note it to the staff, and ultimately, it was deleted. There's at least 6 puzzles deleted off the site because it was unsolvable.

    December 18 2020 at 07:19
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    Opeth2112 Pro

    @Jonathan Handojo: Right, so there must be some feature of build mode which doesn't match exactly to regular play mode, and yet it shows up only occasionally? I'm guessing the deleted puzzles were modern and not classic, with floor switches perhaps, ice, etc. Not sure if you reached a consensus as to how an unsolvable puzzle was test-solved in Builder?

    December 18 2020 at 15:58
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    Jonathan Handojo Pro

    @Opeth2112: No, it happened after publishing. One case was when the staff was transitioning all the levels from the old site (Boxxle) to the new site (Sokoban), and an entire row of the puzzle got deleted with it. The other case was that I saw the puzzle with one layout, refreshed the page, and appeared with a different one. I've seen all sorts of scenarios, but publishing an impossible puzzle from the start is the first.

    December 18 2020 at 18:47
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  Jonathan Handojo Pro

  I don't know if there was a glitch whilst publishing this puzzle (maybe an extra wildcard or whatnot, but I don't think this is solvable. I've come to this conclusion:
  
  1. In order to solve the puzzle, all boxes must be off the teal button.
  2. When pushing any box off the teal button, the door closes, and the only way to then push that box into the goal is to go around the whole puzzle.
  3. At this stage, you must already have two boxes at the bottom. But by doing so, you can't do step 2...

  December 18 2020 at 02:27
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  qdywcaexs

  This seems some kind of black magic... I don't know what we all are missing. You cannot avoid stepping on the fragiles in the beginning. I can't see how to reach the state where two boxes are already in the bottom row and the third one in the second from the bottom.

  December 18 2020 at 01:38
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  vroy Pro

  Even if I try an easier version with all the boxes of the same color, I can't solve it.

  December 18 2020 at 00:20
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  39cool Pro

  the more i try to solve this, the more i feel that i can't solve this

  December 17 2020 at 23:30